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Burbank Business Showcase: Law offices of Adrianos Facchetti
MyBurbank Business Spotlight: Law Office of Adrianos Facchetti Podcast.
You can contact Adrianos at:
4444 W. Riverside Drive, Suite 308,
Burbank, CA 91505
Tel: (626) 793-8607
https://facchettilaw.com/
A Burbank story with courtroom stakes: adopted at birth, shaped by local schools and relentless coaches, and thrown into a first trial with no time to blink. We sit down with a hometown attorney who turned those early lessons into a practice that fights for fairness, prioritizes people over billboards, and keeps the community at the heart of every case.
We dig into the real post-accident playbook—what to do at the scene, how to document injuries, why you should talk to a lawyer before insurers call, and how medical care on liens works when health insurance falls short. Then we get candid about insurers’ analytics and AI, and why trial experience quietly changes everything: carriers pay more when they respect your willingness and ability to take a case to a jury. Along the way, we deflate headline verdict myths, explain policy limits, and share behind-the-scenes realities from car crashes to premises liability to rideshare collisions.
The conversation zooms out to the bigger fight: how rideshare companies are pushing to slash coverage and cap attorney fees, and what that means for victims’ rights across California. We also unpack the legal gray zone of autonomous vehicles and why accountability must evolve with the tech. Through it all, the focus returns to Burbank—bikes-for-kids giveaways, teacher recognition, pro bono clinics, and service on the Transportation Commission. Justice here is local, practical, and personal: tell the truth, prepare well, and show up for people when they need it most.
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From deep in the Burbank Media District, it's time for another edition of My Burbank Talks, presented by the staff of My Burbank. Now let's see what's on today's agenda as we join our program. Hello, Burbank. Craig Sherman here with you once again, back from our little hiatus we had. And we're back with another business showcase. And today we're going to talk a little bit about the law. Okay, we have Adrianos Facidi with us. How do you get on the name?
SPEAKER_02:I give you a B minus. Adrianos was an A plus, but the Facetti is the last name.
SPEAKER_01:Facetti, Facetti.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. It's tough. I blame my parents.
SPEAKER_01:But you know what I I run it with confetti.
SPEAKER_02:You know what? Facetti, confetti, it works. There you go.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. Um Adrianos has a has a lot of practice here in Burbank. In fact, um, and I know there's probably a lot of lawyers out there, but you know what? He has a unique he's unique to Burbank because he's a lifelong Burbank guy. And I think it's somebody that you should know and support. You know, we always one thing about Burbank is we always support our our our people, our local people, people who are are local and commuted to our community. And uh not corporations and everything else. I mean while they have their roles, we still need to take care of our own here. So we've always bring him on a podcast and talk about his his law practice and have you get to know him a little bit. And you know, Lord knows, hopefully you don't need an attorney right now. But if you ever do, hey, you this and this, and and this might be some the phone call you make. So um Adriannis, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER_02:Great to be here.
SPEAKER_01:Let's get started talking kind of about your origin. Let's go back, let's go back to to day one.
SPEAKER_02:Fair enough.
SPEAKER_01:I think you have a very unique story here. So why don't you start off with that?
SPEAKER_02:So basically what happened was um, you know, unfortunately, uh my mother had a tough situation. She couldn't take care of me economically, and so she had to make the difficult decision to give me up. Um, didn't have the resources. So um she gave me up for adoption. I was about to go in the foster care system. About three or four days, someone at church knew my parents and knew the nurse, and my dad had an opportunity to meet my mother, biological mother, and my parents died decided to adopt me. And honestly, that changed my entire life. Um, I was gonna go one way and then I ended up going a different way, and I was just fortunate and blessed enough that I had this wonderful uh parents. My dad was from Argentina, my mom's from Brazil, so I got yelled at in three languages as a kid, and but I was blessed in the sense that uh they lived in Burbank. And so I grew up in the hills in Burbank, and that's kind of how everything started and kind of really kind of set the stage for me in terms of what I'm doing today.
SPEAKER_01:You know, we both have that in common. I was also adopted at birth and lucky enough to come here to Burbank, you know, and have this as my my base of operations and and never have one to leave. So who knows?
SPEAKER_02:Anyway, we're related. You never know.
SPEAKER_01:You never know. Um so let's talk a little about your about growing up here in Burbank a little bit, okay? What what what what are your memories of of growing up in grew up in the eight about the eighties or so? Yes. What are your memories of growing up here in Burbank?
SPEAKER_02:So I kind of was one of those kids that grew up in the in the 80s and the 90s. I had a brother who was five years older. Some people may know him. He caused a little trouble here in Burbank. Uh sometimes the police were coming in, but it was all kind of good, clean fun. I know what your lawyer'd get in trouble. That's probably one reason. Um but uh I sort of grew up in the 80s with him, and we would skateboard, we'd we'd go hang out at different places, we'd go to Pinball Plus, which used to be on Glen Oaks near San Jose. Love Pinball. It was amazing. We'd play all these arcade games, hang out with the kids on the block. We'd have bicycles back in the day, you could actually ride bicycles and you'd be okay, you'd be safe. Not so much the case now.
SPEAKER_01:Um I think that the video game and phones will replace the bicycle, which is a shame because every kid should have a bicycle until they're 16 and go out every day and and and use that bicycle and go somewhere with it.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I don't know about you, but my basic rule, my parents said you can go do whatever you want, just come back before dark. And that was the rule. Yeah. And so you had to sort of fend for yourself and figure out what you wanted to do. So we go to Pinball Plus, the Great Grill when it used to be there by the car wash on Glen Oaks. We go to 7-Eleven, play some arcade games. And actually, my my um grandmother lived on San Jose, and we go up this street and she'd asked me to buy lotto tickets. I wasn't supposed to, but it was okay. I go buy lotto tickets over at uh the the Hillside Delhi, which is a great spot. Now it's just a house. Yeah. So I've been in Burbank my whole life. I went to school here. I went to Emerson, then I went to John Muir, I went to Burbank High, proud Bulldog, support uh BHS completely. Um played sports when I was there too.
SPEAKER_01:So I'm gonna I'm gonna bring you in and get you get you a poster on our baseball field at Burbank High. Okay. Yeah, I'm coaching up there at the varsity baseball.
SPEAKER_02:So I'm already on the other side there, so I'm already on the field. But okay.
SPEAKER_01:Well, good shit, you know. Um, so talk about your day, your high school days. You you played some sports, or what would you play?
SPEAKER_02:So I started playing tennis uh around seventh, eighth grade, and then I came into uh Burbank High, JV, played their ninth grade singles. Then I uh in tenth grade I played varsity. Um I there's a very famous coach uh at Burbank High, who everyone knows about who's really from Burbank, Clyde Richards.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02:So that man made me suffer so much. I'll just tell you a quick story. So we were in the best shape by far. We were not all the best players, but we always won. We won uh previously they won CIF, we won 10 years in a row my senior year, we won league. And we would smoke the other teams. But it wasn't because we're the best tennis players, it was because of the lessons that we learned from Clyde. Now, I don't know if you know where Walnut is in Glen Oaks. You go all the way to De Bell. We used to have to run from Glenoaks all the way up to Walnut, but not just that, which was basically hell, it was terrible. Clyde in his little beat up red car, because he's a teacher, right? And let's face it, teachers weren't making that much money back then. He would go about three miles an hour next to us and swear at us and say, You guys are a bunch of Twinkies, you guys can't do it. Run, run. And you know what? That we would sweat, we would work so hard. I learned so many life lessons from Clyde, you know, and he's still around. He's living in Northridge, and he's still, you know, live and kicking. But we played, uh, I learned so many lessons in tennis, and I'm so thankful for the educational system from Clyde. I had Mr. Thompson, who is an amazing teacher. He made it had a huge influence on me.
SPEAKER_01:Isn't it amazing how we still called him Mr. and everything else? And when we're older and everything, we we always will call him Mr. This, Mr. That. You know, I had Mr. Campbell when I was going to Jordan, and he taught me journalism. But I always called him Mr. Campbell, even when he was, you know, you know, years later, you know, Steve, and I now you're always Mr. Campbell to me.
SPEAKER_02:I just can't call him Dave or I can't call him Clyde. I guess I could if I meet them in person, but you just have that deference for them because they were at there at such a pivotal moment in your life. But I had great memories going to Burbank High, and honestly, I feel like I'm the luckiest person just to be in Burbank and go to Burbank schools, and that's why I want to give back and help the community.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I think high school sports is you know, I hear more and more about the money to discontinue them, to make them into travel ball, to you know, the budget cut. I mean, we get zero money from the all all the district pays for for Burbank baseball are the coach's salaries. And and umpires and legal that's it, nothing else. And we have to raise our own money. And it's like they the life lessons you get by playing on a sports team, not only just working with others and teamwork, but responsibility. Yeah, right. Here's in practices, here's what you need to do if you're gonna miss. I mean, just all that kind of stuff. You know, there's so much that goes into being a sports person at that level, at that time of your development, that it gives you lifelong lessons. Plus, a lot of the people you play with become lifelong friends, also 100%.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's not even just that. Think about all the kids that don't have a father in their life, don't have anybody to help them out. They have a coach that they can lean on to give them those life lessons to say, hey, you know what? When you shake someone's hand, look them in the eye. Things like that that you just don't learn these days. And maybe some kids should be learning, but they're not learning at home. And so I learned just I learned a lot. My parents were great, but having Clyde, having uh, you know, Mr. Thompson, all these other teachers, and even the other students that were older, right? You're a sophomore, they're a senior, they're giving you a hard time. That's okay. You're learning about how to interact with people. And honestly, Burbank, anybody who's in Burbank knows it's a special place. It's just an unbelievable thing. You can go anywhere you want. I've been in lots of different places. You just can't beat it. You can't find something that is special. And that's why my kids, you know, I have a kid, uh, my daughter's is at Jefferson, so is my son. My daughter's 11 years old. My son is six years old, and they're playing tennis too. And they're probably gonna go play it at uh, they're gonna go John Muir, they're gonna go Burbank High. And I'm like, look, you gotta be you gotta be number one like dad. Number one singles player.
SPEAKER_01:No, no pressure, huh?
SPEAKER_02:No second place. No, no, no. My parents were tough on me. Let me tell you, I get 97% of the tests, they say, good job. What was the other three percent? You know, and so that's how it was. And I didn't mind the pressure. I love the pressure. So that's kind of you know, I was always good at school and sort of just led to, you know, one thing led to the other.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, well, that's okay. So we we we graduated from Brick Bank High School now, and it's time to start finding your way. Now, was the law always something that intrigued you, or is it something that was down the line? Or what what happened right after high school? Where did you go next?
SPEAKER_02:Uh, not at all. I had no idea what I wanted to do. I thought maybe I'll be a doctor. I didn't know any doctors. Never even thought about being a lawyer. What happened was I just basically applied to all the UCs. I got into most of them, and I'm like, you know what? UCLA seems pretty good. So I went to UCLA uh as a freshman, did it for four years. Near the end, I'm like, I don't know what I want to do. I first wanted to be a doctor, then I was a pretty good writer. I was curious, so I thought maybe I'll be a journalist. That was short-lived. Money in that. Yeah, yeah. I didn't even get that far. I was just thinking to myself, you know, I'm not sure if I want to do that. So most people would tell me, hey, you're pretty logical, you're a good writer, uh, you're pretty good at arguing, pretty typical for a lawyer. Uh, that's what we're told usually growing up. Good student. So I said, you know what? Let me go into law, and that'll give me a lot of opportunities. Maybe I want to go into politics at some point. I was interested in that. And so then I went into um law school. I went to Pepperdine. So I stayed local, great school. Um, it was right by the beach, and I could see like the beach from my it's awesome.
SPEAKER_01:It's just an awesome place.
SPEAKER_02:The only bad thing about it is first year is terrible. It's like you're working so hard. It's you study the whole time. So I could see the beach, but I never went there the first year. It was horrible. But um, I got through that, uh, finished Pepperdine, uh, passed the bar exam. And then um I'm like, what am I gonna do? And I was never the type to be good with authority. It was never kind of ran the family. My brother was like that, obviously. My dad was an immigrant from Argentina and he had his own businesses. So um I couldn't see myself working for somebody else. Um, and then, you know, I kind of tried a couple of things, and then I was lucky to meet a mentor because I didn't know, you know, my blank from my elbow. And um, you know, I was trying everything, and and one day he's like, let's work together. His name was George Baltax. He was kind of like this classic, kind of like uh like uh it's just like this tall guy that he was from from New York originally, uh like 6'3, gruff, originally from New York, and Jewish guy. And he and he's like, We're gonna do a car accident case. Absolutely, yeah. And he he's like, we're gonna do a car accident case. I said, George, I don't think I want to be a car accident lawyer. It's not right quite what I imagined when I was going to law school and you know, doing well in law school. I don't know, that's kind of beneath me. I'm not sure if I want to do that. He's like, we're gonna do it. I said, okay. As long as you do everything, I'm fine. So then he says to me, Um, you know what, we're gonna go to trial in this case. I said, George, I don't know how to try a case. I'll hold your bag, but I just I'll watch you, but I don't know how to do it. He was 75 years old. We get to trial and it's terrible. We're we're he can't even stand. He's so old in front of the jury.
SPEAKER_01:I know he's got like a I know the feeling of that, trust me.
SPEAKER_02:You know what? But you know, I didn't know that. And so we're up there and I thought it was gonna be great. And then, you know, his suit is all rumpled up. He looks like, you know, kind of like a like a tall Columbo, and he's got like a like a snowstorm of Danerf on his shoulder. I'm trying to wipe it off for the client so the jury doesn't see it because they're judging us how we look. So all of a sudden during the trial, he starts saying, you know what, Adrian is I'm too tired. This is a young man's game. And I said, Well, what do you want me to do? He's like, You need to start doing the trial. And I said, George, look at the client. At the time I had no gray hair. He's like, This is I was the 25th year, 26 year old. I can't do this.
SPEAKER_01:He's like, You're standing on the side of the pool and you just got pushed in and you don't know how to do it.
SPEAKER_02:100%. But it was worse because people are watching. So I'm there and George says, I want you to cross-examine the medical expert who's from Yale with like 20 years of experience and do it tomorrow morning. I said, George, I can't do it. He's like, if you don't do it, I never want to see your face again. I said, I'm doing it. And so I do it, I manage through it. We get to the closing arguments, and he says, I want you to do the closing argument. I said, George, I cannot do this. I said, we have to talk to the client about this. He's like, don't worry about it. Just when the judge says do your closing argument, just stand up and start talking. What's the client gonna do? We're gonna stop you in the middle of a closing argument? Of course not. Just do it. I do it, I get through it, I had no idea what I was doing. And then we're waiting in the in the hallway for the verdict. And the defense lawyer, who's about probably my age now, in mid-40s, he comes to me and says, Adrianis, I want to tell you something. I said, What are you? Do I have bad breath or something? What's going on? And he says, No. Uh, I want you to know that that was the best closing argument I've ever seen. He's like, I've tried 20 cases, that was the best one. And I said, Wow, are you trying to hit on me or something? What's going on? I had no, I I had I couldn't accept the compliment. And he says to me, No, you know, I wanted to open up my own wallet. It was a great, I said, thanks so much. I appreciate it. We go inside, the judge reads the verdict. It's like the movies are standing up, and they read the verdict, and the last offer we got from the defense was$7,500. The jury gave us$80,000, which is 10 times more. It was not a big case, had a lot of problems. And I couldn't believe it. I was in shock. And as I'm in shock, my client's mother whispers in my ear and she says, Great job, Eddie Jones. You did an amazing job. There was just one thing. The whole time that you were uh your back was away to the jury, you were writing the whiteboard, you had a hole in your back pocket, so your butt was hanging out. And I said, Oh man, there has to be like a German word, a German word for like being humiliated and excited at the same time. I was experiencing it at that moment. But that's how I started. And I decided that day, I said, you know what, maybe I can do this. Because all I did was I told the truth to the jury.
SPEAKER_01:I I wonder if he could have done that closing argument himself and all that. And he just said, you know what? He he just showed you because you you wouldn't learn. If you if you don't do it, you don't learn. So you kind of wonder, yeah, would he have really done it or is he doing that to to get you going? Because he saw that you had that potential.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know. I think he was tired, and I think he was just too tired. And uh he said, you know what, you seem more prepared right now. Let's just see if you can do it. And he thought it was a smaller case, I think. Unfortunately, he passed away in 2013, but back then he really gave me such amazing experiences. But for me, it was a aha moment. I thought, you know what? I went home to my wife. I was living in Burbank, and I said, you know what, I might be able to do this. I all I did was tell the truth to the client to the jury. And they saw, and I don't know, to this day I kind of joke about it, and I say, you know what, maybe the jury just said, let's just give this guy a few extra bucks so he can buy a suit.
SPEAKER_01:Wait a second, a lawyer would tell the truth? Yeah, you know, break all the stereotypes.
SPEAKER_02:I didn't know enough to lie, so I was just so green. Uh and but I you know, I joke with people, maybe they just gave a little extra money so that uh this guy can buy an actual suit because it looked like it was my dad's suit, like off the rack from Nordstrom's. Didn't fit very well, and of course my suits are better now. Um, but you know, that was the first that's how I started. And then that gave me a passion. And then I think on top of that, I enjoy the personal injury because I love the little guy. I love the underdog. You know, I don't know about you, but I love all those underdog movies. I love Rocky, I love Matrix, I love Rudy, all those ones. Yes, I don't cry at all. But if you make me watch Rudy, that's it. It gets me. I just can't take it. So I want to help when I see a corporation, I'm not like an anti-corporation guy, but when I see a corporation, when I see someone bullying someone, I can't help it. I'm competitive. So I want to get in there and even the scales. I want to make sure it's fair. Because let me tell you, there's so many cases. Everyone talks about all these greedy personal injury lawyers. It's not true. It's not true. There's like maybe 5% of them are like that. The reality is we need more lawyers, not less lawyers, to help people get what's fair, not more. I'm not trying to get more than you're entitled to. The insurance company's gonna make sure I don't get more than I'm entitled to. I want to get them what is fair and right, fair compensation. That's what we try to do every single day for the thousand clients that I've represented at this point in 20 years. That's what I'm trying to do.
SPEAKER_01:You know what? Now I've never had I've never been in a situation where I've needed a lawyer for that type of thing. And I'm sure most people haven't until they need one all of a sudden.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Walk me through so let's say I I'm I'm Joe customer. Yeah, and um I was just involved in an accident about a week ago, uh total my car, uh I have a broken arm. What and of course the first thing right is you know, and I I have car insurance, and so the other person. But if the insurance calls me or should I go to insurance first, or should I call somebody like you? And then once I call you, what's how do you start walking through the steps to get to get things going? I mean, what what what do you do behind the scenes? Where what what's your what's your experience and expertise? So somebody like me who's a novice doesn't just get taken advantage of by an insurance company. Yeah. So what do you what how do you walk through? So I just I just called you. Hey, the insurance company is uh is gonna call me tomorrow. What do I do?
SPEAKER_02:So, first of all, you're gonna definitely get the VIP treatment because you're from Burbank. I treat all my Burrbankers, it's not Burbankian. We learned that, right? It's Burbanker. I used to say Burbankian. So I'm gonna help you out. So we're gonna get on the phone call. I'm gonna explain the process, how it works. So, what I do is explain to you that you have nothing to do in this case. You just gotta focus on getting better. You focus on getting the medical treatment that you need. I handle the rest, I do everything. So I'm gonna make sure I send a letter to the insurance company, to yours, and to the other side, because we want to get in touch with both of them, and then we're gonna start communicating with them.
SPEAKER_01:But no, you should not call your insurance first, you should talk to the lawyer first. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:So I would say this. So right after an accident, here's what you want to do, what not what you don't want to do. First thing is at the accident scene, you shouldn't admit fault. You don't really know you're not a lawyer, right? So don't admit fault. Be nice, be cooperative, take photographs of the scene, take video of the scene, take photographs of both vehicles in the scene, let's say it's a car accident, and then um you want to get medical treatment as if you can as soon as possible.
SPEAKER_01:If you a lot of people have their dash cameras and all that stuff, right? If you have that, do you disclose that right away to the other person, or do you just keep the footage and let you know that?
SPEAKER_02:You don't need to. I wouldn't necessarily disclose anything to the person. I would have a very minimal conversation with the other driver. I would just be pulling. Polite, exchange information. If the police ask for it, you can give it to them. But I would try to talk to them first, me first. I love Burbank Police Department. I'm a supporter of the BPD, but they're they're just trying to be neutral. What you need is someone who's in your corner. So rather than give that video away just yet, I would wait. Um, but I also tell people, look, and part of what we do is we want to get any other traffic footage there is. Because I know that you, that Craig, that you have the dash can, but most people don't. So in Burbank, we have this wonderful thing where you can get the traffic footage from the public works department. Most people don't know that. It's but it's only available for 30 days. So if you don't act quickly, you're not going to get it. They're going to overwrite that. Unless you're in Burbank, you don't know that. So, but the general thing is we want you to speak to a lawyer, whether that's me or somebody else, at least reach out and get a sort of comfort level. Do a gut check. Do you feel like you trust this person? Do you feel like they're local? They really know the streets well, right? Because that's an advantage I have. You tell me an accident happens on Glen Oaks and you know, Magnolia, I know that corner exactly. I've been a thousand times in that in that corner. Good beverage burrito is there too. 100%. Still good. I haven't been there in a while, but it's pretty good. Um, used to get baseball cards right up the street. Now it's a nail salon. So, but the to sort of zoom out, here's what a lawyer can do for you. So the lawyer's gonna communicate with the insurance company, and at the end of the day, the lawyer's gonna help manage the medical treatment if you need it. Sometimes people have health insurance, but a lot of people, health insurance is so expensive, they don't have it. So what do they do? They're hurt. And it wasn't their fault. What I do is I get them medical providers that will see them on a lien, meaning that they're great medical providers that I trust that I go to for my own health needs. I get you to them, you get the medical treatment. Once you're done with medical treatment, then I start negotiating with the insurance company. And insurance companies have done studies because they wanted to see how much they're paying out when lawyers are involved. And under their own studies, they pay out, on average, three times more money when there's a lawyer. And that's not just out of luck. That's because we know how to talk to the insurance companies. We can motivate them and explain to them and say, hey, look, you know, if you don't pay what's fair, we're gonna take this to a jury. That's the only thing that insurance companies take seriously. And unfortunately, some lawyers don't have any trial experience. You would be amazed at how few of the attorneys in Burbank and elsewhere that are advertising, they don't have a single trial under their belt. I call it the 40-year-old virgin problem. They've never tried a case, but you would never know. And I encourage everybody who's watching this, if you're gonna hire a lawyer, say how many cases have you tried? You know? And if they say one, not settled, but but tried. Very few. So that's a good question. So most cases settle, resolve, and a negotiated settlement before a lawsuit's filed, 90%. I would say very few cases actually go to trial. I I don't know the percentage, but me personally, I'm trying about one a year, roughly. And that's actually really high. Um, some people are trying like two, three, five cases. That's all they do, right? In their firm. But um, a lot of trials didn't happen because of the pandemic. So there's kind of a backlog and stuff for a few years. But, you know, you got to find out if your lawyer's ever trying cases because if they're not, the insurance companies don't give you fair money. If they know you're never gonna go to trial and you make these threats that, hey, I'm gonna go to trial, it doesn't happen.
SPEAKER_01:Is there a way they can check up on like your your record and say and it shows have you been in trials or insurance companies know. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:They know. Insurance companies track all data right now. They track every settlement offer, every negotiation. Uh, they know what you what they wanted to pay.
SPEAKER_01:Analytics.
SPEAKER_02:They have they have all that. They have all the data. They use AI now, and that's something that we're using too. Plaintiffs' lawyers on the cutting edge, my firm is using it too. They're using artificial intelligence to negotiate things. It's starting to become sort of a a huge thing now in the industry. And actually, in personal injury is where kind of things are rapidly changing right now. Could be in five years where I just click one button, it's a one-man law firm, potentially, just the way that things are going. Um, but yeah, we we do a lot to try to improve the results for our clients. I am actively involved in all the cases, unlike some of these larger shops that you might see. And I have no problem with being on a billboard. You might see me on a billboard in Burbank one day. That's not the problem. It's that they have so many cases, these big names, I only mention the names, but they have these big name law firms. So there's some good lawyers there, but they have too many cases. So you're just another number. You know, they don't really know the details of your case.
SPEAKER_01:Well, it needs to make cases so they can do all those commercials on TV.
SPEAKER_02:100%. And I'll tell you, like, it's not that they're bad, it's just that they don't have the time to handle your case in the way that you need to handle it, and that's where you unlock the value for the case.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I think in any thing, your case is the most important thing in your life. Yes. And you want to know that somebody is on that journey with you and cares the way you care, not just, you know, oh, will you take my call or not? You know, I mean I want somebody who's gonna say, hey, oh, I'm glad you called. Hey, that's or you call me and say, Yeah, I want to go over some stuff with you. But you're right, I think, and that's a problem with corporations, which they're all, I mean, it's great. I understand what they're all about, but in a community like Burbank, you know, one-on-one is is so valuable.
SPEAKER_02:You know, it's so funny, it's so true, and I love that aspect of it. So I offer people to meet with me, Zoom, uh, telephone, text, chat, whatever you want. And we have it all for technology. But I'll tell you, I have sometimes I have these big settlement checks, and and I was telling you, I live across from Patty's, I have a check for 50 grand, and people are so used to technology, they live a mile away. I say, come get the check. It's it's ready for you. And they say, no, just mail it to me.
SPEAKER_01:Oh.
SPEAKER_02:And I if you if you tell me you have 20 bucks, I'm gonna be over there right now. Uh, I'm gonna go collect. Uh, but that's how but we want to do what's right for the clients. If they're comfortable, just mail it to them to check 100,000. You know, some we've had some huge checks that we've mailed to clients. We're been blessed to have some pretty big results, some big settlements. Uh, in fact, this year has been our best year. Um, and I really credit Burbank a lot for that, for helping take care of our firm because we have a lot of Burbank clients, people you guys probably know, um, and we've taken care of them.
SPEAKER_01:Do you see the industry changing in the near future? Are there laws coming out or in and that are going to help you or go against you, or or is it pretty much the same, you know, status quo for oil?
SPEAKER_02:I'm so glad you asked that question because there's a lot that's afoot right now. There's a lot of things that are changing, and primarily it's the tech companies with the applications that are trying to do a lot to destroy our industry. So the biggest one is Uber is um launching an initiative that they want to try to impact the entire personal injury landscape because they want to take uh attention away from what's really happening.
SPEAKER_01:A lot of lawyers Uber's also the one who tried to get everybody to be not employees, too.
SPEAKER_02:They won that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they won that because why? They put a ton of money into it. They're doing it now.
SPEAKER_02:They just did it. They just uh applied for the I think it's attorney gener or state general, whatever it is, to really get on the ballot. What they're it's kind of complicated, but to sort of summarize it is they've had allegations of a sexual assault in an Uber vehicle every eight seconds.
SPEAKER_01:Wow.
SPEAKER_02:That's what and people don't know that. We're actually, I'm part of a group, we're gonna put a thousand billboards up pretty soon to across California to publicize this. People don't know about it. So to deflect attention from that, they're attacking personal injury lawyers because we get a fair amount of money. So they've done a bunch of things. One is they successfully reduce the amount of underinsured motors coverage they have to pay from used to be a million bucks for insurance when you go in their car and someone else hits you while you're driving in an Uber and you're a passenger, they've reduced it to under 100 grand now. So they don't have to pay as much, which is gonna affect a lot of people. But way worse than that is they want to try to cap the attorney's fees that we can get, that it's so low that none of us want to be personal injury lawyers. They want to make it solo to drive us out because what they want eventually is I think at some point, they want to have free reign where you can't even choose the doctor you want for medical bills. They want that to be gone. And they want to make it so that you have caps on fees. So it doesn't matter whether you if you died in an accident, they want to cap it to a certain amount of money. That's what they would like to do. Uh, whether it's that, they want to cap it, but they also want to make it so that you can't get justice. Because at some point, if it's so difficult to make a living as a personal injury lawyer, if they cap the fees at 25%, there's no way you can make a living because I don't get paid per hour. We should have explained this. I don't get paid per hour like most layer lawyers, I get paid perhaps. So unless I win, uh, I could work on the case for a thousand hours for two years and invest my time and effort. And if I don't win at trial, I get zero. And it's happened before. You know, when you take some hard cases, I don't take only the slam dunks, I take some hard cases too. It's not a great business model, but um, you take the hard cases when you believe in them. You know, when it's a difficult case, no other lawyers taking the case. I want to help that person out.
SPEAKER_01:So it sounds like Uber is saying, well, we're gonna blame the lawyers that we keep losing to and not blame ourselves who keep hiring these drivers and don't do background checks properly.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Don't watch their own business. They're just they just care about making the bottom dollar, and so it's you know they don't want to be regulated.
SPEAKER_02:That's a that's the bottom line. They don't want to be regulated in the same way we regulate uh taxi drivers when we used to regulate them. So they do a very Mickey Mouse like background check, but they don't do rolling back checks, background checks that are the deeper background checks. And they're they go they don't really give a reason for not doing it. They don't want to do it because it costs them more money because they don't want to make it seem like this person's an employee. They're trying as hard as they can because of Prop 22, they wanted to say this person's just an independent contractor, they have no control over them, even though even though they pay them and it's totally a fiction.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And, you know, but something has to change. So I'm not necessarily a union guy at all. But for this area, they're making so much money, I think they should unionize. And I think that these workers, that these these companies should be paying what's fair to these people. You talk to Uber drivers, they have to work more and more for less and less. They work the entire day. And a lot of people, that's how they live. You know, they make 150 bucks on Lyft or on Uber, and they work all day, and they're working, you know, miles and miles and miles sitting down. It's not an easy job.
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_02:So, you know, there's a lot that's changing right now with the way these applications are doing things. Now they want to make all these driverless cars. So Uber and Waymo.
SPEAKER_01:Let's talk about that for a second. Okay, now Waymo's not in Burbank yet. Um, but it you it's just a matter of time. Um so you get hit by a Waymo, you can't uh I want to see your your insurance, yeah. It's just a it's just a vehicle sitting there, and I'm sure it would dis dispatch somebody, but so what what are what's good, what's the have you have you had any Waymo type of uh uh clients yet?
SPEAKER_02:It probably now because it's the other side of LA, but it's so new that I haven't had it, but I I've been looking at it because I know I'm gonna it's just a matter of time.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So right now, from latest that I've been reading, is some of these companies like Waymo and Uber are also trying to shape the laws nationally so that if you get into an accident with a Waymo, that you cannot sue Waymo for it. Too bad. You can't do anything. So too bad, so sad. And what their pitch is is like, look, we need to be able to get this technology up and going. If it costs too much money, we really can't get this to everybody. And in the long run, it's gonna be a good thing.
SPEAKER_01:Well, then don't do it. Yeah. If you know, then don't do it, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Or do it, but allow the laws to take place so they can be sued.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:And because that they have to have some sort of carrot at some stick.
SPEAKER_01:There's got to be accountability, you know. I mean, 100%. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:And look, it's not just uh uh all the cases are not like a little neck sprain. I've had cases where uh a kid died, you know, got hit by a car, and I have to talk to the parent. Or I have someone medical malpractice case I used to do where this little this woman was in the hospital and she delivered her son to the toilet, didn't even realize it. She looks down and she sees that she delivered her son to the toilet. She's trying to go to the bathroom. I have seen some of the worst things in life, and it's it's like a PTSD every day when I do it, but I get such a great sense of of meaning when I'm doing it because I'm their look to me. When you're standing in trial and they look to you, you're everything for them. That I take that really seriously.
SPEAKER_01:You're their champion.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and and that pressure is unbelievable. But there's nothing better when the client looks at you and says, Thank you. That's what I love it for. I love to fight too. I'm I'm people tell me I'm the most competitive person they've ever met all the time. I love to win, but I also want to do what's right for the client. And it that's what gets me up in the morning. Every single morning, I am not a TGIF kind of guy. I love to work. My staff doesn't like it so much. I'm T G I M. Thank God it's Monday. I'm excited today. Today's Monday. So uh I'm telling my team, hey, look, let's get to work, let's go, let's do this. I can't wait. And so I'm just thankful that I have an opportunity to do this in Burbank to be able to, you know, help people out, you know, and I want to help more people out. So maybe you will see some billboards pretty soon. I'm looking at that one near GMLis.
SPEAKER_01:Well, actually, billboards are illegal in Burbank. Yeah, a municipal code against them. The ones that are here were either grandfathered in or on the the train tracks, which is federal property.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and and so there's that one. There's there's a couple. I didn't know that, so I learned something today, but that explains it. But there are some bus shelters and things like that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um there's a billboard on Magnolia and Clyborne that's actually in LA. Yeah. But at one time it was turned so that someone was lit was hanging over Burbank, and they made them turn it so it wouldn't hang over Burbank.
SPEAKER_02:Isn't there one in Burbank uh near Del Taco? There's another one on Glenoaks. There's uh is that Glendale or is that Burbank?
SPEAKER_01:Well that's on the very corner of Glendale and Burbank right there. Okay. Yeah, Alameda Glen Oaks is the is the corner.
SPEAKER_02:But there is that another one that I've had my eye on that that there's another attorney up there right now, but that's that's that's I'm taking that over. It's on um it's near Giamella's. It's on Victory and the gas the Shell Gas Station right there.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_02:I think that's the only those are the only two.
SPEAKER_01:There's also one there's three, actually. There's also one on Chandlered Hugo Way. Okay. That's on the old train that was on the old train track. That makes sense. That was a you know, that that's all so there's like what? Like there's like four or five, maybe. That's it. But they they got somehow they they got grandfathered in. But yeah, billboards in general just aren't allowed in Burbank. There's lots of things. I don't mind that. That's what makes Burbank so special, though. We have a lot of these little municipal code things. You can't have newspaper stands in front of painted curves, you can't run um streamers on your on your business.
SPEAKER_02:I like that. I don't I don't really want too many billboards in you you go to Las Vegas, there's a billboard everywhere. It's a little too much. Um, and we get so much so many ads coming in our face every single day. So I don't mind it.
SPEAKER_01:But um get used to that, which is not a good I mean, I remember the days of Dodger Stadium, you would never you also the the the 76th circle up on top of the scoreboard, that was it. Yeah, but now you it everything there is is an advertisement. It's it we get used to it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, we get used to there's a lot of law firms that everywhere digital advertising and on the field, also on on top. Um, you know, it's I mean, people got to make money, but um, yeah, there it's just nothing better than being able to serve the community and and kind of do what do what uh people need to get the help that they need, the compensation that they deserve.
SPEAKER_01:So do you do anything else besides like personal injury or anything? Is that or is that your only focus?
SPEAKER_02:That's a hundred percent of what I'm doing. Um that's all we're doing these days. I've been doing it for 19 years. I've handled over a thousand cases personally. I've seen pretty much I've seen it all from a simple rearang collision, which is like a bread and butter for a personal injury lawyer, to complex chain reaction involving 33 commercial vehicles, big rigs. I've done Uber cases, I've done Lyft cases, um, those kinds of deals. I've done premises cases as well. So I've had some there was a unnamed go-kart company in in Burbank. They're not there anymore, but I had a client that went there because some of these cases are pretty unbelievable. And uh her hair was kind of long and it wasn't clasped. They're supposed to tell you to do that. And uh, so she was kind of riding around with her girlfriend a couple of times, and then her her hair got caught in the rear axle, she got scalped. So we resolved that case for a fair amount of money. And um, you know, we've had cases where someone's in an apartment building, they're walking down the stairs, and it's supposed to be not fall apart. And so he's walking down the stairs and then suddenly it falls apart and he's gonna fall two stories, but jumps forward, has an eight millimeter discarniation. We sell that case for 700 grand. Had another case where a guy's a pedestrian walking across the street, gets hit by the car, some serious injuries. We sell that case for a million and a quarter. Um, and you know what people don't realize is that we don't settle for billions of dollars. There is a limitation. Usually that limitation is how much insurance is at play. Because most people don't have money to pay the true amount of the damages.
SPEAKER_01:So talk about that for a second. So you see these commercials, oh, you got me 9.8 million, you gotta be 12.2 million. So how how does that happen then? Is that just I I know they can't lie because that's there are you know boundaries. Lawyers don't lie, right? No, lawyers don't lie, but I I'm sure they have to, there's some kind of a check and balance system that you can't just say that stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Here's the dirty little secret about lawyer advertising is that you see these big verdicts on their websites, 30 million, 40 million. That's the settlement amount or the verdict amount, but that's not the amount they actually collected. That is a very small, much smaller number. So um, you know, a lot of times the big ones are against these companies that are self-insured, FedEx or Starbucks. There was a$50 million verdict against them for uh spilled coffee about a year ago or so. Um for those self-insured massive companies, even then they usually sell for less money. That's just the reality because there's risks and there's appeals and things like that. Sometimes the government, too, those cases against the government, you can have those big verdicts. Um, but they get appealed, uh, and then usually they resolve it for something that's less. Um, but yeah, there's a lot of um, there's a lot of advertising, and they they passed some recent things to try to make it stricter on what you can say. Uh, because a lot of these, there's a lot of companies that are doing lead generation on Facebook. You probably see it all the time when you're on a Facebook.
SPEAKER_01:I stay off that thing. You do? Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Well, on Facebook, Instagram, the social media.
SPEAKER_01:But I stay off that Facebook stuff.
SPEAKER_02:They'll try to advertise to you and then they make these crazy claims that they can get you a bajillion dollars. And it honestly makes it harder for everybody, not for the only for the consumer, but also for honest attorneys like myself who are gonna tell the client, look, I'm not here, I'm not a magician. You know, I'm gonna get you what's fair and reasonable, uh, and your neck may hurt, but that's not worth a million dollars. You know? Million dollars, you're gonna have to have some pretty serious injuries.
SPEAKER_01:So let me give you a little see if you have a conflict of interest here. Every time somebody falls on city property in Burbank, Burbank police have to come out and do a report immediately when there's a fall on state property and somebody's injured. Have you ever had to get one of these cases where somebody's fallen on on Burbank property and now you've got to file against the city, go through that whole thing?
SPEAKER_02:I've only done it once. Uh, because what's that? You don't blank where you eat?
SPEAKER_01:Like I said, yeah, you're a taxpayer too here.
SPEAKER_02:Right. So I don't mind the taxes going to the right things, right? So, but I'll tell you there was one uh situation that was publicized, so I can talk about it, where I did make a claim. I don't know if you remember about seven or eight years ago, there was uh like a peeping tom at the Verdugo pool.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yes, yeah, one of the lifeguards.
SPEAKER_02:So I reported, I got a couple of those cases, and um to Burbank's credit, unlike most government entities, we made the government claim and it was resolved very quickly and very straightforward. I talked to the attorney, we resolved it for a fair number, and I think the city, I really had a lot of respect for the city and how they handled it. Because a lot of the cities, their strategy is every lawyer is just out to get us. None of them are reasonable. Let's just fight them hard. And the only person that wins is the defense lawyers because they get paid by the hour. That's what they do. And and and that's the other thing, too, that people don't realize is that I don't just make one phone call and get a million dollars. That doesn't happen. People think, oh, it's a big case. They they call me, oh, my friend got 60 grand or 120 grand for this injury. And I said, first of all, I don't know anything about that case, so I can't comment on that. But B, it's probably not there's more context there that's missing. So you've got to really work up a case to get a reasonable number for somebody and and do all the right things, right? You gotta, it's just like uh, you know, you know, you teach uh you coach uh baseball, it's the fundamentals. You do the fundamentals correctly, you build up the game or the case, and then you got to perform, and then you gotta do the right things in the right order. And if you do that, you can't guarantee you're gonna win the game, but you put yourself in the best possible position to win. And you know, the lawyers that are really experienced can do that.
SPEAKER_01:What an analogy, huh? You got it you nailed it right down, too.
SPEAKER_02:We like to hit home runs. How's that? I'll take a single, though. That's what I learned from a business mentor, because that's the thing. Personal injury lawyers want to try to hit uh, you know, try to hit home runs every time. You can't do that. I'll take a single any day. Single, a double, triple. I'm having a great day. I might go to champs after that if I'm gonna try to get if I get a triple.
SPEAKER_01:Let's change the subject a little bit. We've there's some pretty serious stuff here. Let's talk about what your company or or you have been doing for the bringing community. Right. You're involved in a lot of things here. I think you do it with bikes, you do some so talk about some of the stuff that you do give back to the community.
SPEAKER_02:So, one of my favorite things we do every year is you do bikes for kids. Uh, I started about four years ago. We've now given up 40 bikes to deserving kids. It's one of my favorite days, really favorite, you know, few weeks of the year. So, usually in July, we'll advertise that we're giving away bikes to kids and then have them sort of give their stories about someone, a parent or a friend will say, Hey, I have a kid who he saved his friend's life in the pool. Or I have a kid, this is often the case, where it's a single mom and the mom had breast cancer, and the kid helped take care of his mom, helped fold the clothes. She even helped cook because the mom couldn't do anything. It was just them on their own. And so I hear those stories, and what we do is we go to Walmart and we buy 10 bikes. And the great thing is, Walmart, it's affordable, and the bikes are already made. So a bunch of us go down there and then we get the bikes to the kids, and they come, come to the office, take a picture with them. And I have this amazing opportunity to do something, you know. A lot of us we can afford a bike, you know. A lot of people can't afford a bike.
SPEAKER_01:It's either it's amazing how there's that separation of people.
SPEAKER_02:It's either they either eat or the bike. So I take that away, and our and our and we have a lot of people who donate as well. I want to do that, I want to do 20 next year. So we're gonna do it in July. And I let me tell you, it's almost better than a better feeling than any case when I can help those kids out. I did holiday in the park recently, and I had a booth out there uh in front of the old tin uh uh Tinhorn flats. I can't remember the name of the new place. There you go. Yeah. He won't he won't like that. So it's a new place. But he was great. So I was in front of his uh his saloon and we're there, and one of the kids that won the bike just happened to walk by. I said, How you doing? So it was just great. So we we do bikes for kids. Um, we also recognize teachers every once in a while. So we'll do like a little uh giveaway and have like some of the great teachers that are that are in our school district, they come in, give them a t-shirt, give them like a gift card or something to a Portos. We do that. Um, and then we also do a lot with Home Again LA. So I've done a lot of pro bonus services where I go with two or three lawyers that are friends of mine. We go and and and give free legal advice to anybody who wants to come in. And a lot of times, again, single mothers who just are just trying to make ends meet, they can you know barely kind of get by, and they just need some legal advice because otherwise they're paying like$500 an hour to a lawyer. They can't afford, no one can afford that. So we give them free advice, it's usually two or three times a year. I'm trying to do more of that. Um, you know, funny thing is, not a lot of people come in, and I don't know if they're embarrassed or what it is, but they come in and and uh we've helped out a lot of people. So we do that. Um, I also do a lot with the schools. So pretty soon there's some fairs, like school fairs coming up at Burroughs and and uh Burbank High. I'm gonna be going there and talking to some of the students. Uh, I'm also involved with the Burbank Workability Program with Lori Schleinkofer. I don't know if you know her, uh, but she runs it. And basically they have a program where you can do internships, work internships with young kids in high school. So I've had a couple of interns who work with me. I mentor them and they also get paid. There's a federal program, they get paid. And so uh we do that because I I've always believed in mentorship. So we do that. Um, and then, you know, even beyond that, it's just being involved in a lot of these community events. Um, I'm a supporter of Burbank Police Foundation as well, because we have the best, as far as I'm concerned, for my money, we have the best police department in the entire state, best fire department in the entire state. The reason why I know that is because I used to work at islands. That was my first job at 17 years old. And all the women used to love when the firemen would come in, they say, put them in my table, put them in my table.
SPEAKER_01:So just don't park in that elevator next to islands. I didn't I never used it.
SPEAKER_02:That parking structure, let me tell you, it looks almost exactly the same as as 97, 98. That's not a good thing.
SPEAKER_01:That's the problem, yeah. Elevator breaks down once a once a week.
SPEAKER_02:The other thing I forgot about, I'm on the transportation commission. Oh so uh I got wrangled. Uh uh Nick Schultz wrangled me into that. And he said it's only an hour a month, and it's not a big deal.
SPEAKER_01:And so I'm glad he did because Well, we're gonna we're gonna have the assembly man here in a week or two to talk about the year and the assembly. So yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So this was when he wasn't uh big muckety muck, you know, he was uh he was just on city council, but uh I'm glad he persuaded me because we get to just make recommendations to the city council about some of the things I get a lot of flack from it because people say, Why do we have you know a one-way street on San Fernando? Why do we have, you know, the olive is a lot smaller and and and it's like a half an hour conversation because it's never a simple decision.
SPEAKER_01:And create a bike lane also, but who knows? What do I know?
SPEAKER_02:Even my wife doesn't like it. We were going up Olive to visit my dad, and and she didn't like it. And I said, Do you have an hour so we can talk about it? Because it's not a simple thing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I actually did a video on it and drove up it and showed that their trash cans were in the lane parking, the traffic lane, and there was nowhere for bicycles to go. And the city told me, Oh, Orange Grove is a is a designated bicycle. I go, but Orange Grove is a whole lot smaller than olive. Why not just put one bike lane in an olive and then they people feel safe, like they did in Verdugo? But what do I know?
SPEAKER_02:That's what I say. What do I know? Yeah, we just advise city council, and and let me tell you, they don't always agree with us.
SPEAKER_01:No, it's they they uh at least you're there you you give you you get involved.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I will say this uh Transportation Commission, maybe not everybody listens to our stuff, but we have a great uh the individuals on the on the commission are care a lot about the city. And we have someone who's an urban planner, we have people who are very sophisticated people, thoughtful people, and our discussions are pretty they're good discussions. Um, you know, we are kind of known as the commission, we do, we talk a lot, and so we like to sort of uh discuss things thoroughly, and we're just trying to do the best we can um for the city of Burbank, and you know, it we're not getting paid for it, obviously. And but I love doing it, and uh, I'm gonna keep doing it for now. And and however I can this is the bottom line here I can never repay Burbank for what it has given me. I just can't. That's how I feel about it from day one to now 46. My kids are still in a Burbank. It is an amazing place. And to the to the point where I have this little gag thing where I have a t-shirt that says I love Burbank. I kind of wear it around. I I gave away like 50 shirts and I I walk around and I'm wearing the shirt, and people in Burbank, they say, I love Burbank too. And they just love it. You know, it's just it's just a special, special place, and that's why I wanted to come here today, sort of talk to the people directly.
SPEAKER_01:No, I I gotta tell you, it was great to have you on. I think it's a it's good to get another perspective of what a lawyer really is, because you know, it's it's kind of a dirty word on people's minds. Yeah, yeah. You never really dealt with one before either. You know, they're just going on what they the the situation comedies say and everybody else, you know, and it's a cheap joke type thing, you know.
SPEAKER_02:Well, let me tell you something always people always tell me is they say, you know what, I never liked personal injured lawyers until I met you. And so my highest comp, I said you don't have to like me because people don't like used car salesmen, they don't like congressmen. I think we're like somewhere in between those two. But if you say to me, and I've heard this so many times, you know what? He's one of the good ones. That's all I need to hear. Because you know what, I'm just trying to do what's best. Uh I'm not the only personal lawyer out there that's good. We have a lot of good personal lawyers in LA, a lot of them. But the public doesn't know who's good and who's not, and there's definitely some that are not. So I'm just one guy where our firm is growing a lot, and a lot of that has to do with Burbank and how Burbank is supporting the firm.
SPEAKER_01:Well, fantastic. Are you honest? Fancetti? Yes. You did it. You did it. Sure, it rhymes with confetti.
SPEAKER_02:It does, you got it.
SPEAKER_01:You have need a learner. Think about confetti, you get franchetti.
SPEAKER_02:100%.
SPEAKER_01:There you go. If you use that idea, you know, part of the uh the profit on that, by the way.
SPEAKER_02:You get 10%.
SPEAKER_01:Uh there you go. Uh it's great having you on the show. We appreciate it. Um, I think it's I think it's a great conversation, you know. It's great to great to meet somebody in a lifelong boring person, also. So we're thanks for coming on.
SPEAKER_02:Pleasure. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. And thank you for watching. Remember to do that little that like thing and that subscribe thing. We appreciate that. Um, we'll put his information down below in the in the description too. So when you need that lawyer, you make it you have a quick click that way, okay? Once again, Craig Sherwood, thank you much for watching or listening. If you are listening in your car right now, two hands on the wheel, please. Okay. We'll talk to you next time. Bye.
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